kid-rocket asked: I actually disagree with your post comparing Americans wearing a kimono and Japanese wearing jeans. White supremacy is not an international constant. White privilege as we know it in America is virtually non-existent in Japan. The real difference between kimono and jeans is the fact that a kimono hold cultural significance to Japanese people while a pair of jeans is just an article of clothing to Americans.
Try again because you’re wrong if you think white privilege is virtually non-existent in Japan.
Let me know when Americans remove all their bases and military personnel here. When white folks are not seen at all in any media here. When white people, particularly white Americans, aren’t preferred for jobs over other non-Japanese. When whiteness and “Westernized” aren’t held up as goals to strive toward in globalization/internationalization to be seen as a “forward/progressive” country.
Then maybe you can come back and try to argue that white privilege is virtually non-existent here.
The only correct thing you’ve said is the last part. Jeans have no cultural significance whereas kimono do have cultural significance as formal and traditional wear for cultural rituals. But that is also a gross simplification of the issues and fails to mention things like Western fashion being forced on Japanese and other cultures and how Western fashion is perceived globally vs how local cultural wear is perceived and the racism inherent in that.
I can’t speak for Japan, but it’s definitely quite diminished (if not altogether nonexistent) in China.
Even in the hustle and bustle of an international city like Shanghai, it’s considered hip to laugh at white people behind their backs. They don’t “get” Chinese business. They don’t think like us. They have no culture. Jobs of influence would never go to a white person, though they do get the cushy mid-level jobs fairly easily. Then again, privilege just works differently in China, with how money and power are portrayed…
Han swag all the way. It was pretty sweet living that life.
a) doesn’t mean white privilege does not exist (we’re talking particularly white people in comparison to other poc, such as black people)
b) no one was talking about china
To answer the tag: post was more anecdotal steam of consciousness than rebuttal.
To expand a bit though: like I said, diminished-to-nonexistent, depending on where you are. I’d argue that in China, Korea, and Japan, that there’s a different gradient of oppression acting on black people than “white privilege”, having to do with hukou benefits, the old “geographically superior” argument that the Romans and Greeks utilized, and our own ideas of racial superiority (within the context of our home countries, NOT within the context of the “model minority” bs).
It’s also really curious that thisisnotjapan requires white people to remove all their bases from japan, and be absent from their media, for privilege to be gone, no? The jobs preference thing is pretty standard - obviously you’d want there to be no racial preference in careers whilst exploring abolishment of privilege. The media/military thing is not.
In particular, removing our military presence is strange as it weakens their defense. We could substitute other country’s troops, which would be optimal but unrealistic in execution. We could also let Japan start up their own military again, though that would cause a political storm in China and Korea due to the implications there.
The media thing is kind of interesting. It fits with OP’s whole “white privilege as we know it in America” not being existent. White people do not play the racist roles that they do in the states on mainstream television, and there’s actually a lot of hunger in countries like China, Korea, Thailand, and Japan to consume movies from the nebulous “West”. What with the education paradigms there about social justice (zilch, basically), it wouldn’t make sense to just overhaul all of this by removing all white people, and call it a step forward.
I say it’s interesting because one potential problem they may or may not have been referencing is the whitewashing of POC in advertising, particularly for beauty products. Companies originating from Europe and America just love propagating white beauty in all the countries they touch, and that’s very annoying - to use an understatement - especially when it intersects with existing classist stereotypes surrounding light skin in those four countries I mentioned.
Basically…definitely see where OP is coming from, and pitching in with how my own experiences reflect that. Definitely don’t get the answer, as much.